Next they will be calling each other names. Oh my, aren't they mature.

Obama might want to be careful with Hillary. She has a tendency to put people who get in her way in Holes.

Hear! Hear! Mr. Obama!! I just hope that your canidacy is not some "machiavellian" enterprise put out for "public consumption", to make it look like Ms. Clinton has been in a contest! In other words I hope that you haven't "cut a deal" with her, already!!

Obama may identify himself as black but that has little to do with anything. He is a straight shooter with no political baggage unlike the Clintons who could fill the cargo bay of a Boeing 747..... My hat is off to Barack Obama!

I am God. Do not question me - Barak Hussein Obama

It's arrived !!!

HILLBAMA..........and I'm loving it ! lmao

Give them hell Obama.

The election is still far away and I am sick of Obama already. His 15 minutes are just about up.

Democrats at each other's throats so early? I love it! Please, destroy each other. Refreshing to see them ripping something up other than the Constitution for a change.

hey...i'm no supporter of Obama (or Hillary either), but good for you Obama. Don't put up with that double-standard, fork-tongued talking liar who goes by the name of Clinton.

Liberals always show themselves for what they really are....racist!!

what's the big surprise about Obama's talking heads taking shots at the Clintons? All these pre-programmed responses come from the same Potomac-based 'think tanks' and political communications specialists everybody else uses. There aren't any straigth talking politicians any more. Everyone speaks through a handkerchief, sparing the populace any shread of the truth. It's all spin.

It has always amazed me when politicians speak, in particular Democrats. The Clinton's might be the worst. A man or woman is what he or she thinks inside- no matter what comes out of their mouth. As far as I can tell with the Clintons it's one in the same.

Oh, this is getting good! I guess Hillary will have to complain about the vast Obama-wing conspiracy!

November 2008 is a long way away. If you weren't already sick of Hillary and her ilk, it's just a matter of time. Looks like this race will be handed (again) to whatever Republican is chosen (only because it won't be Bush) in 2008. I say that because Republicans will choose a candidate, Hillary has already chosen a candidate for the Democrats (herself) and it will tear the party in two (or three - Nader?) It may not be too early to add Hillary to the loser-board: Gore, Kerry, Rodham-Clinton...

And so begins another cycle of feeling like they've "got the man/woman" and they don't. Niether Obama or Clinton will be elected by the American people. One can see that today, 2007. The Democrats can't?

@ Robert Ford - a pretty dumb and very narrow minded statement. It'd be like saying that Ford is bringing down the rest of South Carolina because he's a dumb hick!

From the White-water lies to the lost papers in the
white house, the Clintons have become millionaires.
When Billary signed off on Nafta, and produced the
Republican plan to outsource our industrial base,
creating the loss of the working class,it is the
end of the game for the Clintonites and the Bush
Dynasty. If Obama promises the working class that
he will make an attempt to re-create our industrial base,it would become a "walk-on" into
the White House. As we remember FDR, we will
remember the destruction of our manufacturing base
by the Clintons and the {Carlyle Group} in other
words, the Bush Inc family.

I wont vote for either, I am a Republican, but I do like Obama as a person, not a politician. And, I am glad he is going after Hillary, it is about time someone from the Democratic party stood up to her. She is flip-flopper and her political expediency is deplorable. I cant wait to see him plow over her in the primary debates.

Once again this proves to all my Democractic friends that they are no different from all my Republican friends.
Signed
Enjoying the Show

It starts already. Break out the dinnerware, they are beginning to eat their own.

Isn't it amazing that the Clintons get to have one of their supporters say one of the most racist things imaginable and not a word from the main stream media. Remember Trent Lott, he was hounded for months and had to resign as Majority leader? Hillary Clinton is the most underhanded person in politics. Wait till they really get rolling and start digging up the dirt on Obama and any one else that gets in her way. Remember the IRS audits of Bills accusers? Do the Democrats really want this person as President?

This is hilarious. The Clintons are upset that someone would take a cheap shot at them? This from the family who had the bimbo erruption squad threaten women into silence? LMAO. What goes around comes around Hillary and it isn't even March.....of 2007!!!!!!

who cares neither of these idiots will be president unless they steal the election.

Let the dems fight it out...I think it is great. It only helps the republicans firm up their base...thanks Hillary and Obama!!

You have to remember Bill Clinton's protege was a staunch anti-black and anti-integration Southern "ole" boy. His wife never cared about the South and left ASAP when she had the chance. Simply put it's about power baby power. Just lie and get the Power.

Obama just might drag down the whole Democratic party. This country may be ready for a woman as president, but the whites living in all of the red states are not yet ready to make a black person president; especially one, whose background flirts with the Muslim culture.

Oh boy, Here we go!

Well, bravo to Geffen and the Obama camp response to the Clintons. Fool me once shame on you; fool me twice shame on me.

Hillary, the day of double standards is over.

Now THAT'S funny.

Sen. Robert "Bob" Ford was right. Obama-Hussein-Arama Dama will sink the Democrats, but not because he's half a negro. It'll be because he's an empty suit. A product of the media. I mean as a leader - what a joke. Unsaid of course is that Hillary is also an empty (pants)suit. She's a conniving Clinton but her half truths, slogans and general BS is easily recognized.

Two big thumbs down on both these idiots. Mr. Geffen has it half right.

At Last!!! Someone to stand up to the DLC and shove hardnosed tactics back down their throats. The DLC has come close to destroying the Democratic party. Thank God for OBAMA.

Sen. Clinton should hold her "fire." She'll be the President of the US and all this will be a small noise in the overall picture.

This isn't what the Democratic Party needs. We need to be united for the upcoming impeachment.

she has no chance of winning the south, most people down here do not trust this liar, and we all know that the snobbish rich praise her, thats good enough for most of us to not vote for her...

It's no wonder she supports people who spew this type of baloney. Check the record, the Dems are awash in racist comments when they show their true colors, or when they don't realize they are being recorded.

Geffen is a private citizen, not Obama's "finance manager" as Hillary's campaign wrongly labeled him. As a private citizen, it seems perfectly logical for him to explain his reasons for deciding to support Obama even though he has a long history with the Clintons. And it is his first amendment right, isn't it? Or is Hillary more ready than Bush to slash and burn the constitution?

the man(obama) has a point. geffen has the right to say and support whoever he sees fit. the senator's just upset because he's not donating to her.

The Clintinoids don't yet realize it but the dynamic duo's best days are behind them. And how many will truly regret that?

I am prepared to vote for a black for president, when one who is GOP and qualified runs. I would vote for a woman, if she were GOP and qualified. I have no issue with color, sex or religion. Heck, I'm considering Romney for the top spot. He's a heck of a lot more qualified than anyone on on the DNC side. And he's better looking, and has a very nice wife and decent kids and grandkids. What a breath of fresh air.

Bet Mr. Geffin's FBI file is now mysteriously missing - ah - er...Sandy Burger been anywhere near the FBI building lately? Good thing it's not Her Majesty Hillary yet, lest there be an IRS audit in his future...

God, would I like to be a fly on the wall.

Lets talk about the Republicans for a moment. You have McCain the biggest hypocrite of all. Then there is facist Guiliani. Obama and Edwards are darn right refreshing.

This is why we should grab our pitchforks and torches and run ever Democrat and Republican out of office. I hate them all. They are worthless.

Obama is probably even more coniving than the Clintons. He'll tell you how much he loves your position while he continues to vote against it.

I don't think there is a single existing candidate that any of us really want to become the next president. Let's all be honest.

Hillary will self destruct. The early start to the campaign, while annoying to watch, is a blessing because it gives all these fools like Barrack Obama and Hillary to expose themselves for what they are, incomitent for one and a coniving liar for the other. Kerry already shot himself in the foot. My man is Joe Lieberman, the original comeback kid. If this is the best that the Dems can field, I will break a 50 year tradition and vote for the GOP. I like Romney.

Obama's platform and policies suck but he is a breath of fresh air. Very honest. He is what he is. Hilary is what 16 years of planning and polling say she should be. People Like Obama. I hate his ideas and platform but even I like him. It is like the second coming of Christ to the DNC. He will do very well unless the Clintons really have good dirt on him...

If I hear the phrase "working class" or "working Americans" one more time, I am going to puke. Who doesn't work? What they really mean is "unskilled and uneducated workers who we can control and manipulate". Those without a skill or education will be in higher supply and lower demand, and thus will always be payed less and manipulated more. If you impose socialism to change this, you are just trying to impose artificial laws on a natural system. It is like changing the weather to make it not rain in a certain area. You will only make it flood in another area.

Mrs. Clinton's weaknesses are being allowed to show -- and so early in the cycle. Maybe Bill Richardson knew more than he was telling. The Hillary run may be more entertaining than Cheney going bird hunting -- and just think -- she will at least be doing it for at least a year!! This could really get funny, but thought she would be a bit more classy than what we have seen this week. It was her's to lose, and think she is losing!!!

This seems to me to be inside the beltway stuff that regular people care nothing about.

I am getting a much bigger kick out of the Republicans devouring themselves. Some, like Romney and McCain can't run to the right fast enough while the whacko religious right can't figure out why a liberal like Giuliani is leading.

I am praying for a general election with Giuliani as the republican candidate. It will be like choosing between two democrats. This way the country can't lose.

I just hope that Bill and Hil are smart enough to see that Obama has the best chance for taking the White House away from those crooks pretending to be republicans. I think that Obama has better values than anyone who's came along in years, red or blue..

Everything these two are saying about each other is true. I hope they tear each other (and their crappy Traitor Party) apart

I find the comments of South Carolina State Sen. Robert Ford very troubling. He said: “if Barack Obama were to win the nomination, he would drag down the rest of the Democratic Party because he's black."

What does color have to do with anything? I mean, look, I recognize that we all can’t ignore color – nor should we, as color and diversity is one of the things that make our humanity so special and beautiful. But, might we endeavor not to pay so close attention to it that it colors (pun intended) our thinking based upon false and outdated premises?

Is Mr. Obama the right person for the job of President of the United States of America? I don’t know the answer to this - yet. But, what I am absolutely certain of is that color, or for that matter gender, has absolutely nothing to do with the answer or the realities of the answer.

... a Democratic Party food fight. More! More!

Obama - Mama, hit them where it hurts!

The simple fact is that Hillary is a average to poor speaker who comes across as a phoney and Obama is a gifted speaker who comes across as sincere.

Unfortunately I think BJB's posting at 12:24 p.m. is spot on. One has think that the Democratic party will do whatever they have to in order to retake the white house. If either of the Obama or Clinton campaigns implode, where do you think the supporters of the failed campaign will go?

They will immediately rally behind the remaining candidate to ensure a Democratic victory. The thought that this is pre-planned is not at all far-fetched.

Let those of us with a brain watch and see how this plays out on new media, not your nightly news

And remember... Trash the spin and vote for the candidate who reflects your own personal views - period.

Oh the hilarity. Ravana and Howard B Stern wins my award for dumbest posts of the group. I guess if a non-military serving religious zealot would criticize a man who was a POW in Vietnam as anti-veterans the party could get your approval. Ravana takes the cake though: as if the current adminstration looks at the constitution as anything but a list of outdated suggestions. Billy Clenton isn't far behind. Apparently the 2000 republican primary is too long ago for republicans.

My My. A liberal Democrat (Bob N) calling a republican a facist. When are you people going to grow up? real facists lined people up against the wall and shot them, not give them tax breaks......

With Obama's 18 months of actual experience, he is an even match competitor for gullable Hill, who is easily fooled by most everyone (Slick w/BJs, W w/Iraq, etc, etc).

They are all bad, but Romney is the worst. Has anyone ever investigated Bain Capital - Romney's old firm. There is a huge amount of dirt under their carpet, someone please take a look.

Barack Obama is black? I never noticed. Can we get past these superficial items?

Hi-strain McCain and Howdy Doody Rudy on the right.
Hillary Dillary Crock and Osama yomama dumboma on the left. We are doomed. But wait, there is Romney and Leiberman. Will our two national political parties nominate a couple of decent guys? Nah, probably not. We are doomed.

It won't be HILLBAMA, but rather O-HILL (Oh Hell?) if he keeps on the straight and narrow.

Why am I thinking Hillary has an Obama skeleton somewhere she's saving for a "February" suprise. I hope Obama keeps calling it like it is; it's about time someone other than the conservative media called the baby ugly.

I wish they'd just get it over with and have sex already.

This should be the populist mantra for the next several elections: NO MORE CLINTONS, NO MORE BUSHES. Enough.

Sure wish we could read Hillary's college senior thesis, which is under lock and key. She would be toast, should it ever come to light. Far, far, radical left.

Ravana: If you'll check your facts, it's the current administration who have been ripping up the Constitution, not the Democrats.

John: You may be correct that red-staters won't elect a black person President, but Obama's connection to Islam is tenuous and irrelevant (not that that ever stopped red-staters).

Thomas: So the Democrats make racist comments when they don't realize they're being recorded? As opposed to Republicans who make racist comments when they DO realize they're being recorded?

my favorite kind of fight...liberal vs. liberal...they really really care about the unseen poor guy...it's everyone else they hate!!!

The name Clinton brings sleaze to and murder to mind. They will stop short of nothing. Follow the money and blood.

"When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro". Poor Hunter Thompson. He knew... and didn't like what he saw

Vince Foster, Vince Foster, Vince Foster

What does it matter? Obama? Hillary? Democrat or Republican... the whole political system is corrupt, and the election has probably already been decided (think 2000 election) by the neocons and the shadow government composed of corporations and elites who continue to reap benefits by way of manipulation and deceit (think energy crisis and wars).

Where is an Eisenhower or a Jefferson when you need one? Oh, I forgot, only the rich and affluent have any hope at all of representing a population of nearly 300 million. What kind of representation is that? If you think I am wrong, factor this tidbit from the 2005 US Census Economic Survey: Only 17.23% of all households had annual incomes exceeding $100,000. This means that 82.77% haven't a chance. And would you believe one-third of households in this country have an annual income of $35k or LESS?!

Rather than "he said, she said," or who looks better on TV, I think it would be nice to see a politician more interested in serving the interests of his/her constituents and the citizens of the United States, than big business, lobbyists, or his/her own self-interests.

Very entertaining. And SCARY. My hope is that they, Obama and Clinton, will destroy eachother early on and clear the way for some more reasonable candidate, like Gen. Wesley Clark, for example. If they do persist in their narcissistic media pandering all the way to the convention and election, they will effectively hand the election straight to the republicans. All I can say further is: Run, Wesley Clark RUN!!! Save us!

Obama must be crazy to take pot shots at the Clintons. Doesn't he know about all the unexplained deaths that have happened since the Clintons started their political careers.
The sad part is that most democrats will vote for clinton because she is a democrat, not because she is qualified. Sad.

John Edwards, and John McCain will not ever attain the job of President. I mean after all, McCain will say anything to be elected, and Edwards, just can't even say anything right! With choices like these two morons, I really hope that Either Clinton, Obama, or Biden and Lieberman get in....And lets face it, I would rather swallow rat droppings then listen to another Edwards concession speech....Good God what the hell was Kerry thinking??????

Hillary is jealous of Barack Obama, and for good reason -- he stole the presidency from her. I got off the Hillary wagon when she said that anyone who questions her Iraq vote could find another candidate to support, so I took her good advice and I am supporting Barack Obama. I've had enough of stubborn politicians like George W. Bush, who make great mistakes and refuse to admit it.

This is great...watching liberal leftists tear at each other like the pack of snarling, snarky, petty teenage girls that they are ! Politically charged entertainment at its very best !

The only good thing about the Hildabeast becoming President is that the White House might get back the Lincoln bedroom furniture they stole the first time around.

if I wanted a screech owl, i would go with hillary, if I wanted someone to listen well, i would go with the ears.
I just want Washington to leave us alone, will Ralph Nader please stand up!

I like Newt, he is the only one that I can strongly support. He's a winner (1994), he is brilliant, and he is the only one who is genuinely optimistic about the future.

I think David Geffen, the little hollywood bugger boy, just "wants" Obama sooo bad he can taste it!

Isn't it interesting that all of a sudden the Democrats (and David Geffen) realize what liars the Clintons were and are. The only problem is that they knew it at the time and only now, when it serves their internal political interests, do they admit to it.
I'm tired of this election already

Outstanding! Maybe there's hope for the country and individual freedom yet!

So funny watching the NEOCONS run like rats from a sinking ship...everyone knows the Republican dictatorial oddysey is all but over..America has woken up to their lies and double standards...so like you idiots told us in 2000 when you stole the election "YOU LOST...DEAL WITH IT!!!"

Watching HillBillary's Smear machine warm up on Obama, tells us that they want to nip him in the bud before he becomes a real threat, but they're really dumb picking a fight with David Geffen, to boot....He's the richest Gay man in Hollywood.....Come to think of it, the Dems haven't hesitated to throw gays under the bus before, remember Tom Foley?

quote from comment #4:
>Obama may identify himself as black but that has little to do with anything. He is a straight shooter with no political baggage unlike the Clintons who could fill the cargo bay of a Boeing 747quote from comment #4:
>Obama may identify himself as black but that has little to do with anything. He is a straight shooter with no political baggage unlike the Clintons who could fill the cargo bay of a Boeing 747

Not just the cargo bay, but the seats, too...with all of the bodies

The Clinton crybabies are so used to having it their way that Obama is a burr under their saddle. But neither of them stands a chance, and they know it. I wonder what slime- real or imagined- Hillary's SS troops will dig up on him. She will be known as the most evil female ever in politics.

I am very sick of the presidential race already. Do we need 2 years of these self absorbed idiots? I normally lean Democrat on enviromental issues but don't like Billery at all. Obamas got charm but my politics are going more and more to Mitt Romney and Rudy Gulliani!!! Now if we could just muzzel all politicians until 90 days from an election that would be great.
JVC

Clinton Happens.

Is there a womans' group out there against Hillary?
I would like to join. Thinking women do not like her politics and tactics. She thinks in terms of color, gender, religion and money.

Watch out Bam Bam, the old bag may pull out some of her old tricks, like smears and queers thrown at you, and maybe even a hitman or two. Clinton doesn't represent the U.S., she represents her own ego. And the jackass party really has nobody who has the strength, experience, and character it takes to actually represent the greatest nation on earth.

Hi-strain McCain and Howdy Doody Rudy on the right.
Hillary Dillary Crock and Osama yomama dumboma on the left. We are doomed. But wait, there is Romney and Leiberman. Will our two national political parties nominate a couple of decent guys? Nah, probably not. We are doomed.

Obama, don't go near Marcy Park!

It's amazing the comments on this board by Republicans towards Clinton and Obama. Already predicting a Republican win? Did you forget the smackdown you got in the last election? I don't see the tide turning back to the right anytime soon. Face it, the Democrats are driving the car and the Republicans are holding on to the windshield trying to get in. Ha, Obama in '08!

Hilary is a hag. Mr. Barack does need to be careful, the Clinton's make people disappear. Go Obama. Dems need new blood.

I guess I will have to do a Vince Foster on Obama..

Looks like the establishment has run into the real deal. Comparing Hillary to Obama is sort of like comparing a manufactured boy band to the Beatles.

How Presidential of them. Is this how they will deal with our allies and enemies? THAT should be good for our country. Sorry...after 9/ll I just cannot stomach ever voting for a Democrat in ANY election. Bunch of immature wusses.

Hillary masqueraded as a senator waiting on retribution for her embarassment as first lady. Obama is a sheer puppet intended to make her run seem like a competition. The fact of the matter is that the "competition" between the two is a prefabricated version of a Political American Idol. I find it hard to believe that with all the able bodied true patriots and intellectuals qualified for the Democratic Nomination, the American people are left to primarily discuss a bitter old woman who falls asleep during senatorial meetings, thinks everything is owed to her, and can't even remember the words to the National Anthem (all facts by the way). And her primary competition : a black man. Who better to validate a true non-contender than with a symbol americans "need" to see run for president. Hillary is also attempting to mask her lack of qualifications by the american people "needing" a woman to finally run for president. Again, not because she's the best candidate, but just because she's a woman. So get all excited about these two contenders, but you should just save your time and vote for the next american idol. god knows that vote is worth more in the long run. Congrats Obama and Hillary. Enjoy your run for the nomination. Take comfort knowing the republican race was just as inane and ludicrous. But you do have the last laugh knowing all the above and knowing americans just let it happen.

I don't agree with Obama. However, I am waiting for him to be labelled as part of the vast right wing conspiracy out to get the Clintons. God knows that if you disagree with them, they will get you, then lie and obstruct justice to get away with it.

LMAO!!!!!!! Hill and Bill finally got what they deserved. They had 8 years - that was 8 too many as far as I'm concerned. They are egomaniacal control freaks who never get enough of the limelight, power, money, etc. I thought we have term limits in this country? Didn't old Bubba say a 'Vote for me and you'll get two for the price of one?' WELL THEY HAD 8 YEARS- ENOUGH -

Can't we all just get along???

Go at it. I love it when one from the party attacks another. It has been so long.

I am a Republican and I like Obama. If he makes it, and I truly hopes he will, I will vote for him. An outsider ready to shake up this crappy system that we have. I love it.

Glad to see the divide already. Go Republicans!

Relax folks, I realize this is something you have not had to deal with before and sounds like fear and anger to me. It is a sign of the times and he is being led from a Heavenly Source. Whether he wins or not, we will all learn alot from this experience. So since you obviously have no idea how Barack Obama thinks, calm down and watch. This is just the Biginning. A NEW BEGINNING---Got It?

This is going to be a fun campaign. A McCain/Romney ticket is looking more and more like the only adult option.

Everyone here is missing the point.

If everyone in the US would simply become Black and Muslim, everything would be cool. Look, we're tried being White and Christian for almost 250 years and it's just not working.

And buy Al Gore's DVD.

Will this nation ever demand an iota of common decency and morality?

If it does the Clintons will be shipped off to the jungles of Africa. Perhaps they can take Kerry and Gore with them.

What a sad reflection upon our society they are. :-(

All this fuss about Obama becoming president.
He has as much chance of becoming president as
a Baptist has becoming a pope. The only thing
outstanding about him is his ears. The area between
them should have a sign saying " Room for rent."
Hillary will beat him. His support will come from
black voters. Hillary's will come
from mostly MCV (menstrual cycle voters ). If that's
the best the Demmy's have, they're in trouble.

The last time we had an unknown run for President, we ended up with Jimmy Carter. After 4 years we had interest rates of 22%, gas lines and the world made fun of our weakness to act. Next time you pay a credit card bill, look at the interest rate and thank that idiot Carter for the rate. I am voting for Rudy.

Take a deep breath America, this is what you blind fools desired.

Thataboy Bob N. When things look bad for the Demos start calling Republicans names. Typical liberal tactic.

Will she do something about her man legs? I can't wait for the Iowa to see her lose! Goodby freeloader!

Obama should stay away from the attack atmosphere that surrounds Hillary. He'll come out on top. There have been several votes about this issue at Vote.com. They're sending the emails to Hillary and It doesn't look good. Obama is right to criticize lightly but he really should stick to the issues.

It is beyond me that most Americans don't see that nothing is getting done in Congress while these ego maniacs are out trying to get elected. Since when does it take two yeasr to campaign in this country. WAKE UP AMERICA

What about Obama's comment on the "wasted lives" of our fallen soldiers. Our volunteer army of brave men and women in uniform are proudly serving their country. The Democrats truly do "hate" our troops because they know that our troops are not just following orders. They love their country and believe in their mission. On a regular basis I think of how proud the mothers, fathers, families and friends must be. They are NOT alone. And it is especially important I say that I love them all and support their mission. They are the real heroes of our time because they love their country so much that they are willing to pay the ultimate sacrifice for US. Let it be known that I do not have a member of my family or a friend that is serving in the military, but this is one proud, patriotic American who appreciates and thanks Almighty God for them and their service.
Obama says "wasted" and it will not go unforgotten.
And in closing, the only one who despises our troops and their mission more is the woman who disgraced all women more than any woman in history for "standing by her degenerate husband", all for POWER. Honorable and faithfull women cannot and WILL NOT vote for her.
Rest easy America, if this is all they have to offer,they don't stand a chance.

I just hope Obama remembers Martin Luther King....Yea, I do.

HILLARY CLINTON IS TRYING TO DIG UP DIRT ON OBAMA THROUGH ANY MEANS NECESSARY. I THINK BEFORE ANYONE VOTES FOR HILLARY CLINTON , THE PUBLIC SHOULD BE MADE AWARE OF THE FOSTER SITUATION THAT OCCURED WHEN BILL CLINTON WAS GOVERNOR.FOSTER COMMITTED SUICIDE.AND HILLARY CLINTON WAS UNDER INVESTIGATION FOR SOME KIND OF LAND DEALINGS. THERE WERE ALOT OF UNANSWERED QUESTIONS AND COVER UPS.

Jane Freeman ... was the first lady of Minnesota at the end of the 1950s, when her husband, the late Orville Freeman, was governor. In 1961, Orville served as secretary of agriculture under Presidents John F. Kennedy and Lyndon B. Johnson. Though she'll be 87 years old in May 2008, Jane Freeman is still engaged behind the scenes in local and national politics.

"I am so disappointed in Hillary's campaign," Jane Freeman said, pointing out her distaste for and distrust of Terry McAuliffe, the former head of the Democratic National committee who is Clinton's campaign chairman. "It's the same old retreads. Running a campaign nowadays, you have to have current and future generations. I haven't seen one new face with her, not a one. They're going to fight the same old battles."

Mrs. Freeman said she feels a sense of gender betrayal. "It's very hard for me not to be for a woman. My goodness, I've worked for women and girls all my life," Freeman said. "My friends say, 'We've fought so hard for a woman president, we have to have a woman president.' But with some of the tactics she's using, it makes it impossible for a woman to get elected. She's nice, then she's screaming, really screaming, at how bad Obama is. I can hear every man in America say, 'Well, there's a woman for you.' ... I think about her campaign and I cry, and I cry, and I cry."

[NOTE: Terry McAuliffe was key in setting up the Lincoln bedroom "bed-and-breakfast" for cash system.]

Story is from MinnPost.com
G.R. Anderson Jr. | Minneapolis, Wednesday, March 5, 2008

lesliedesign2k wrote:
[B]Mr. Obama has fell into the world of Karl Rove. (Reverse Psychology)
This is the Anti Obama Strategy[/B] Hilary is using it - clearly

Normally republicans would use this formula against democrat

It is in Hilary's advantage to stay in the election to the general election
The republicans can't start a smear campaign with two democrats in the race.

1. Play the national security card without hesitation.

2. Talk about the Iraq War without apologies or perceived contradiction.

3. Go at Obama unambiguously from the right.

4. Encourage interest groups, bloggers, and right-leaning media to explore Obama’s past.

5. Make an issue of Obama’s acknowledged drug use.

6. Allow some supporters to risk being accused of using the race card when criticizing Obama.

7. Exploit Michelle Obama’s mistakes and address her controversial remarks with unrestricted censure.

8. Play dirty without alienating his party.

9. Dismiss Obama’s brief national tenure from his own lofty platform of decades in the Senate – there will be no ambiguity about who has more experience as conventionally defined.

10. Use his sterling war record to reinforce his image of patriotism and valor – and contrast it with his opponent’s.

11. Emphasize Barack Hussein Obama’s unusual name and exotic background through a Manchurian Candidate prism.

12. Employ third party groups like the NRA to hit Obama on issues that might turn off general election voters. Perhaps an ad such as this will run in Ohio: “So, what do you really know about Barack Obama? Did you know he supports meeting with the head of terrorist states? Do you know he wants to get rid of your right to own a handgun? Do you know he is calling for the repeal of the law preventing gay marriage? Do you know he is for a trillion-dollar tax increase? What do you really know about Barack Obama?”

13. Face an electorate less consumed with “change change change” (the main priority for Democratic voters) and keenly interested in “ready from day one” as an equally important ideal.

14. Link biography (experience/courage) and leadership (straight talk) to a vision animated by detail – accentuating Obama’s relative lack of specificity.

15. Give Obama his first real race against a credible Republican. (Clinton has always asserted that Obama would wilt before a fierce Republican assault.)

16. Confront Obama with a united, focused campaign absent of second-guessing, which hits the same themes and message every day.

Hillary has already tried the ’soft’ attack, the ‘hard’ attack, the race card, the drug card, the inexperience card, you name it. Obama just gets more popular by the hour.

Remember the Democratic trump card ….. BUSH !!

Trump Card: Whitehouse Interference

One thing Obama and others need to be prepared for is what the whitehouse will do before the election. They’ll start putting out false reports of progress in Iraq, capturing terrorist operatives, thwarting false plots, and moving the terror alert rating up and down. They’ll hope this will get people scared enough to vote for whomever they endorse)

IT SEEMS LIKE MS. CLINTON IS USING ALL THESE STEPS TO DESTROY OBAMA

well its no surprise that the Lincoln Bedroom was called into question... what is surpriseing how we as a general public feel that somehow have a higher moral compass than the average person. they are subjected to pressure on a large scale to come up with solutions to problem that most would be stuck in a grid lock situations and appease all groups of opposition further amplified by the scutiny of the free press. in my mind renting the lincoln bedroom for profit is a rather harmless offence that acctually created more good than harm. not to justify anything but even clintons or any other presidents lack of smarts the scale of corruption was rather harmless. the one thing that was his fatal flaw he failed to account for the need for legtimacy that is so stongly instilled in us, as Americans. he lost his public appeal for lying not for what he was lying abould. the whole inductive logic came out. Clinton lies about his affair with Liwinsky. Cinton is a lier. Clinton must be lying to us about other issues that are actually important and worthwhile. sorry for the long tangeating post