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Pastor Rick Warren made the rounds last night to talk about the 8/16 Saddleback Ranch forum.

Warren, on speculation John McCain heard the questions beforehand: "It's a totally bogus issue. It's challenging the integrity of the Secret Service, challenging the integrity of my security staff, and challenging the integrity of John McCain of which both Barack [Obama] and John agreed to the terms right up front. There's no way he could have heard the questions. The fact is that John McCain did get there a little late, and the truth is, I actually got to tell Barack Obama about one of the questions in advance that I didn't get to tell John McCain about because he wasn't there."

Warren, on NBC's Andrea Mitchell reporting the Obama camp felt Obama didn't do so well and have been privately saying that McCain may not have been in a "cone of silence": "Well, in the first place, I don't know that you can attribute to the Obama campaign. ... It was just a joke, it was just silly, to say the cone of silence. ... The Secret Service was with him the entire time, and then they put him immediately in the other building, so I wasn't even sure that he hadn't arrived by the time we were moving on stage" ("Hannity & Colmes," FNC, 8/18).

More Warren: "There was a rumor going around that he watched the program on a monitor in the Green Room that we had him in. Well, there's only one problem with it. My staff ... disconnected that thing two days before it happened. So if they had happened to turn it on, it would have been all just static" ("LKL," CNN, 8/18).

After the jump, more Saddleback and VP predictions.

(KATHERINE LEHR)

Sen. Claire McCaskill (D-MO), on why the "cone of silence" issue is a big one: "I think it's only an issue because Rick Warren said that he had been in this room sequestered off. As it turned out, he wasn't. I'm sure that Pastor Warren didn't know that, because I get the sense that he would have never have made that representation if he knew it. But I don't think it's a big deal. The campaign doesn't think it's a big deal" ("LKL," CNN, 8/18).

Weekly Standard's Kristol: "These charges are being made, or suggestions are being made by the Obama campaign because they know their man lost the evening. It is striking that they can't just accept that and go on, that they have to pretend that somehow McCain must have cheated to have won. ... I think the Obama campaign has set itself up for looking like whiners, and I hope Senator McCain challenges Obama to have another forum tomorrow" ("Special Report," FNC, 8/18).

Newsweek's Fineman, asked if the McCain camp suffocated their own story line with the attack on Mitchell: "This is going to sound like special pleading on my part. But, I mean, Andrea Mitchell is a paragon of objective, down-the-line reporting. You know, we all honor Tim Russert. She's the princess of that royal family. And, rather than attack Andrea, they should have ruled out the amen corner to praise McCain's performance because Obama was tentative. I saw Obama at that event; he wasn't really good; he didn't give great answers. He was too busy defending his flank within the Democratic Party. He didn't really bond with those people and McCain, by all accounts, did. And that's what they should have stressed rather than used this as an opportunity to pick a fight with Andrea which ... doesn't necessarily hold water. It's hard to prove, one way or the other" ("Countdown," MSNBC, 8/18).

MN Gov. Tim Pawlenty (R): "Senator Obama's campaign is the one that's raising this as a concern. I really would suggest that they not challenge the credibility of Pastor Rick Warren. He's one of the most universally respected and admired individuals in the country. And I don't think his credibility can be questioned" ("LKL," CNN, 8/18).

Washington Post's Birnbaum: "I think this explains why Obama is not eager to do town hall meetings with McCain or to take any other direct debate other than the ones that are already scheduled, the official debates. ... The attack by the McCain campaign on NBC, I think, had something to do with something else, maybe some problems they have been having, or an eagerness to call attention to this particular forum that McCain clearly won" ("Special Report," FNC, 8/18).

GOP strategist Todd Harris: "I actually think this episode is fairly illuminating because it's about one thing and one thing only, and that is the arrogance of the Obama campaign. It is so far beyond their ability to comprehend that McCain cleaned their clock the other night, which he did. ... Instead of acknowledging that perhaps Obama has a shortcoming and didn't do as well as they thought he should have, they're trying to say that McCain cheated" ("Hardball," MSNBC, 8/18).

THE CLOCK IS TICKING...

There was also reaction to the New York Times reporting that Obama would announce his VP pick as early as 8/20 a.m.

New York Times' Zeleny: "It's not that much of a surprise. It's been crunch time for Senator Obama. He has exactly one week, you know, to make this vice presidential announcement known and he's going to do it as soon as Wednesday. It could be anywhere from Wednesday and really, through the end of the weekend. The campaign right now, we're told, is still trying to figure out exactly at what point along to do it. They're watching Hurricane Fay. ... He is close to making his decision. His advisors won't say he has made it for sure, because something could always change between now and then, but he's not begin to notify the people who did not get it yet. ... We're not even sure if Michelle Obama knows for sure" ("Verdict," MSNBC, 8/18).

CNN's Crowley, on the Obama camp: "They want to roll into this convention. They want a big buildup, so they can dominate the news cycle from the time they announce this vice presidential candidate all the way through next week, mostly in a positive light. You get that first VP pick, and, for the first couple of days, it is positive kind of press that you tend to get. So, they are timing this just to maximize all that time, because they know, after a week from Thursday, that it then moves over to the Republicans. So, they are trying to get a good seven, eight, nine, 10 days out of this" ("AC 360," 8/18).

And multiple sources reported that McCain plans to announce his running mate on 8/29 at an event in Dayton, OH.

FNC's Hannity: "Now this is just hours after Barack Obama accepts the Democratic nomination at Invesco Field in Denver, Colorado" ("Hannity &Colmes," 8/18).

Ex-WH adviser David Gergen: "The idea of doing it on his birthday, and doing it in Ohio, is smart. A, Ohio is this hugely important swing state. And the polls suggest that John McCain, who was a little behind there, with his recent surge, has now moved slightly ahead. And doing it on his birthday takes the story away from the 72-year-old birthday to the new vigor that's brought by a vice presidential candidate. So, I think that's a pretty smart move. I think the one thing that is sort of etiquette in politics is, you don't do your vice presidential candidate in a way that competes with the other guy's convention. You don't do it in a way that sort of rains on his parade" ("AC 360," CNN, 8/18).

Washingtonpost.com's Cillizza: "The fact that he's doing it on his 72nd birthday may suggest that he is going to pick someone younger,
make it, you know, 'Today's my 72nd birthday, Tim Pawlenty is only 47 years old, but we agree on the future of this country.' The other thing to think about, everything that I hear from the McCain campaign is he wants to pick someone for whom he has a personal affection. This is a gut emotional politician in John McCain. That would seem to suggest Pawlenty, Ridge or Lieberman" ("Countdown," MSNBC, 8/18).

8 Comments

How in the holy hell is this douche some sort of electoral power player?

Are you talking about Obama or Warren?

The Rick Warren Forum was poorly managed. Rev. Warren's oversight gave McCain and undue advantage of an opportunity to eavesdrop on Mr. Obama's interview with Rev. Warren before his own interview some minutes later. McCain is reveling in ill-worn victory. He cheated and gave a "good performance." He wouldn't be the first Republican "family-values," "Christian" who cheated to win. For some reason many Americans have no qualms about this.

What has George Bush actually done to protect the unborn in all his 8 years in office?
What impact did he have on the "family values" for which he got elected?
What is McCain's stance on stem cell research?

This whole thing is so unbelievable ---- what ever happened to separation of church and state that was set up by the founders of this country? This whole event was publicized as "a forum to discuss faith, religion and politics". That, in and of itself, is ludicrous and I feel that Senator Obama was put into a position that was uncomfortable (as it should be) and that he did an incredible job under the circumstances.

This forum should not have been held, and goes against everything this country was founded on. I am not a non-religious person and have a deep faith and belief in God. However, I was extremely offended by this whole premise.

i love Larry King live for exposing the conspiracy to drown obama last night when he asked Rev Warren two great questions.
1 when did you toss the coin?
2 where was McCain when Obama was questioned?

AMERICANS ARE NOT AS DUMB AS THEY THINK WE ARE.. You could the difference between smart and cheat.

I call in question Rev Warren's integrity and Christian belief, that is not what Jesus did!
Rev Warren at a time gave McCain the answer to a question before he asked it. " 40 million abortion ia an holocaust to people who believ in life at conception.." he then asked McCain when does life begin?
America pls wake up and see how the GOP is using christianity to this point of profanity...First it was ..the one ad..using Moses ( we christians hold so highly as the man who has actually been so close to seeing God) Now is lying in the church saing McCain is in the "cone of silence" when the secret service confirm he was in his motorcade.. this is actually using what the Bible says in Revelations. i will continue with this next time

Micki, this one's for you:

McCain's 'Judeo-Christian values' reference puzzles

[...]

Even President Bush has resisted framing the war on terrorism as a clash of religions; his inexpert use of the word "crusade" early in the conflict set off a wave of criticism and backtracking. He's never repeated it.

Perhaps McCain's comment was a similar mistake.

But on Saturday, at the nationally televised forum at evangelist Rick Warren's Saddleback Church in California, McCain declared: "Our Judeo-Christian principles dictate that we do what we can to help people who are oppressed throughout the world."

And a review of online records by the Globe library shows that McCain uses the term "Judeo-Christian values" quite often, and in varying contexts. For example, last week in York, Pa., he praised small-town Americans by saying, "The Judeo-Christian values that they hold are the strength of America."

He has also repeatedly urged that illegal immigrants be treated in a manner "consistent with Judeo-Christian values." In February, he declared that job training was a Judeo-Christian imperative.

"We've got to educate and train these people," he said, referring to laid-off workers. "It is a Judeo-Christian values nation and it's an obligation we have and we are not doing it."

Last year, when he was criticized for telling the website Beliefnet that America was founded on Christian principles, McCain's defense was that he meant to say "Judeo-Christian." (When pressed, he said he believes a Muslim could serve as president.)

[...]

Such comments may pass unnoticed by most American voters and may be reassuring to some religious Christians and Jews. They may even go over well with some secular Americans who are pleased that he is using more inclusive language than some members of the religious right.

But his repeated invocation of "Judeo-Christian values" is sure to stick in the ears of Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, and people of other non-Christian, non-Jewish faiths. And they're sure to be asking themselves: Just what is McCain trying to tell us?

www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/08/19/mccains_judeo_christian_values_reference_puzzles/

The Right really is the Christian Taliban. Goes against the very basis of the founding of this country based on FREEDOM OF and FREEDOM FROM RELIGION. It just boggles the mind.

Also, the Christian Right's use of the term HOLOCAUST when describing abortion is an insult to the Jewish people. It is morally reprehensible that they would equate an individual woman's medical choice involving her own body with the PREMEDITATED extermination of an ethnic group based on their religious affiliation. It is sickening.

Of course McCain didn't watch Obama being questioned. He didn't have to.

FACT: Aides of his were watching.

FACT: Other aides focused on prepping him for his interview were traveling with him.

FACT: His aides have Blackberries and use them frequently.

LOGICAL CONCLUSION: Information about what questions would be asked got to him, whether he knew it or not.

I don't know if McCain and his campaign heard the questions while he was in transit, but Rick Warren is being disingenuous when he talks about the Secret Service somehow preventing the questions from getting to McCain.

The Secret Service has one, and only one, responsibility in terms of presidential candidates -- protecting them.

The Secret Service would not and should not be babysitting a candidate to keep them from hearing questions at a church forum... while he is riding in the car, they couldn't care less if John McCain was listening to a live feed of the event, talking on the phone to a campaign staffer who was listening to the event, talking to a paid lobbyist for Georgia, reading Playboy or cutting his toe nails.

I don't know why Rick Warren thinks it is the Secret Service's responsibility to enforce his "cone of silence" -- but if he does, he is totally wrong.