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Carly Fiorina, a key surrogate for John McCain's campaign, asserted this morning that Sarah Palin doesn't have the experience to run a major company such as Hewlett-Packard.

"No, I don't," responded Fiorina when asked as much by an on-air personality for St. Louis' KTRS Radio. "But you know what? That's not what she's running for."

But then the former HP chief dug herself a deeper hole during an interview on MSNBC, attempting to explain away the Palin remark by saying, hey, McCain couldn't run HP either. "I don't think John McCain could run a major corporation ... "

Barack Obama's camp jumped into the melee. “If John McCain’s top economic advisor doesn’t think he can run a corporation, how on Earth can he run the largest economy in the world in the midst of a financial crisis? Apparently even the people who run his campaign agree that the economy is an issue John McCain doesn’t understand as well as he should,” said Obama campaign spokesman Tommy Vietor.

Is the subtext here that Fiorina believes only she could do both? Hate to psychoanalyze, but ...

Last we'll see of CF for awhile?

(JENNIFER SKALKA)

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You made me go to MSN (ugh!) to see the whole clip and low and behold she also mentions Obama and Biden as not being able to run a huge corporation. Misleading journalism on your part!

Unless I missed something, I don't remember the US being a centrally planned economy. As such, neither candidate would be "running" the world's largest economy. Unless that, too, is a quasi-freudian slip.

The fact is, Carly Fiorina ran HP into the ground and then got a $40 MILLION severance package. If anybody should be talking about ability to run a corporation, it is NOT her!

But the policies she represents are clear.

This McCain/Palin/Fiorina campaign doesn't know the first thing about how to run a Kitchen Table Economy for hard-working Middle Class Americans.

The McCain campaign "plan" for economic "reform" is just more of the same failed Republican philosophy: DE-REGULATION, no oversight, corporate hand-outs, and greed greed greed.

It won't help anybody but the wealthiest 1% and is a failed long-term economic strategy for the country.

Please read this:

www.propublica.org/article/mccains-record-contrasts-with-promises-of-reforming-wall-st-916/

Let's take our Economy back. Let's take our Country back. Vote for Barack!

Isn't the ultimate irony here that CARLY FIORINA feels qualified to pontificate on who has the chops to be a good CEO?

Is this going to be the second job in a row that she gets fired from?

Sorry, Badger. It was Fiorina who set the stage for HP's recent comeback from the brink. Her priorities have been carried on because they have improved HP's manufacturing and marketing. Yes she was fired, but it was in a pretexting scandal, not for bad management. But perhaps you were somehow trying to link pretexting and her comments? If so, I don't get it.

Ethan,

Gee, what a shame you were born too late and in the wrong country. With your knack for exclamation-pointed agitprop slogans, you'd have made a great NKVD political officer.

This is all silly. Of the four people running for the two offices, only Sarah Palin has performed functions remotely similar to a CEO. And if I were Barack Obama I'd be careful about gloating here. I doubt the MSNBC host pressed Fiorina on Obama's credentials to run anything, but if he/she had, I doubt the verdict would have been flattering. As I recall, his only command-level experience was co-chairing a charity that squandered $50 million.

Gee thanks Mark for the unwarranted personal attack. What a shame you can't read above a 3rd grade level or maybe you could argue your case based on facts. It's just that insults are hard to debate b/c they just make you look like such a fool!

Fact is, neither Carly Fiorina nor John McShame nor Palin have the SLIGHTEST idea how to run a healthy budget.

It is funny and pretty pathetic when compared to Barack's deep knowledge on the issues and his commitment to an American economy for all of America.

Little jealousy there, Carly? Someone else got picked for a job YOU were talked up for?
Meow...

Ethan, TWO of Obama's "close advisers" came to his campaign form Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac. He has received over $110,000 in contributions from Fannie/Freddie, which ahve gone belly-up in a truly hysterical fashion... and now want the American taxpayer to bail them out.

THIS is your financial genius, who you want running running (taking over, extraConstitutionally, that is) our economy?

LOL she can't run a company with $113 billion in revenue, but she's one heart beat away from running a nation with $2.4 trillion in tax payer revenue. OKAY!!

Obama may have received 100k from Fannie and Freddie but who's Rick Davis again... is that Fannie Mea's Rick Davis, the same Rick Davis that's McCain's presidential campaign manager. Hmmm.

At least 20 McCain fundraisers have lobbied on behalf of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, netting at least $12.3 million in fees over the past nine years. So you want to talk about $110,000. Give me a break.

FIRED

Feb. 10, 2005

One of the nation's most high-profile female CEOs, Carly Fiorina, is leaving Hewlett-Packard.

NEW YORK (CNN/Money) - Hewlett-Packard Co. Chairman and CEO Carly Fiorina, one of the most powerful women in corporate America, is leaving the troubled computer maker after being forced out by the company's board.

Shares of HP (Research) jumped 6.9 percent in heavy trading on the New York Stock Exchange Wednesday on the news. But at one point, the stock was up as much as 10.5 percent.

"The stock is up a bit on the fact that nobody liked Carly's leadership all that much," said Robert Cihra, an analyst with Fulcrum Global Partners. "The Street had lost all faith in her and the market's hope is that anyone will be better." ...

>>>Meow...

Now THAT is sexist.

>>>THIS is your financial genius, who you want running running (taking over, extraConstitutionally, that is) our economy?

Yes. Absolutely. Over Phil Gramm? Haha. Yes. Any day of the week. Our President needs to have a plans to get the country out of these major problems. Obama has the plans. McCain has old-school Republican politics.

So you can spin it if you want, but the plans are there on the Obama website. Tax cuts for 90% of Americans. Regulation, oversight of multinational corporations. Consumer safety. 5 million GREEN CLEAN ENERGY JOBS. Responsible end to the Iraq War. Getting Bin Laden finally.

But anyway, the most important thing a President needs in order to come in and fix all of these problems is to have plans on how they are going to carry out their vision for the country. McCain doesn't have the vision. He doesn't have the plans that will CHANGE our direction as a Nation. It's just the same old Republican politics.

Barack has a vision and plans to back it up. He is just rippin' ready to go and that's the truth.

Ethan,

Less than 90% of Americans file tax returns . . . so tax cut for 90% Americans is quite mathematically impossible. Considering that our last FDA chief is in jail for taking briberies, considering that after they leave their government offices, top regulators usually get fat paying executive jobs at the very industries that they previously regulate, any thinking brain should have realized by now that government regulation is just putting lipstick on a pig, at taxpayer expense . . . not to mention keeping out competition in order to benefit incumbent companies so they can keep churning out unsafe products. 5 million jobs in a particular industry? Is that what politicians promise nowadays? Even if the market doesn't see any need for them? Even if it means the taxes to support those jobs would eliminate 10 million jobs? What a boondongle. Bin Laden is probably long dead. "Responsible end to Iraq War" sounds like Nixon's "Peace with Honor" . . . i.e. expansion of the war into other countries, such as Pakistan.

Barak's so-called vision proves Carly's point: he is unfit to be a CEO; his pronounced goals are pipe dreams that are either improbable to achieve or highly detrimental if ever attempted. He is fine however for running a political office: making vacuous nice sounding pronoucements to keep the sheeple entertained, while his handlers make sure that he doesn't actually do anything harmful.

you at CNN just cant get your stuff right . 1. she said none could run h.p.
2. Obama has just as many lobbies as Mccain just look it up
3. is Obama that dumb to think he can give 95% of us a tax brack .
4.if you would look up all polls but your you would see your star is is about to burn out
5.
every one should just vote none of the above.

you at CNN just cant get your stuff right . 1. she said none could run h.p.
2. Obama has just as many lobbies as Mccain just look it up
3. is Obama that dumb to think he can give 95% of us a tax brack .
4.if you would look up all polls but your you would see your star is is about to burn out
5.
every one should just vote none of the above.

'Off Message' is right; I've never been a CEO, but my guess is that these aren't the kind of public comments that would keep her job secure. Surely she would fire herself for this? And it betrays the kind of arrogance of the business-educated executive class, who believe they're more qualified to make leadership decisions than someone who studied and practiced a real profession. Also, the number of high school drop-outs who went on to found multi-million dollar empires may be small, but the number of MBA's who drove their company into the ground while plundering it's assets is very large.

What an arrogant loser. She was fired by the HP board when she couldn't cut it. I think running the Country is just a little more difficult than running an IT company. If I were McCain, I'd tell her to shut it, thank you very much, and remind her why she didn't get picked as VP. She has her own brain, unlike Palin, who will be a good little empty cheer leader for the GOP.

What an arrogant loser. She was fired by the HP board when she couldn't cut it. I think running the Country is just a little more difficult than running an IT company. If I were McCain, I'd tell her to shut it, thank you very much, and remind her why she didn't get picked as VP. She has her own brain, unlike Palin, who will be a good little empty cheer leader for the GOP.

What an arrogant loser. She was fired by the HP board when she couldn't cut it. I think running the Country is just a little more difficult than running an IT company. If I were McCain, I'd tell her to shut it, thank you very much, and remind her why she didn't get picked as VP. She has her own brain, unlike Palin, who will be a good little empty cheer leader for the GOP.

That's funny! Apparently the HP shareholders don't think she's fit to run Hewlett-Packard either. Under her tenure Dell ate their lunch, and HP acquired Compaq, an equally marginal PC manufacturer.

If anyone has not guessed by now Ethan is a liberal plant on the blogs. This is what he does, trying to reason with him is rediculous. He is paid, not to believe, but to sway others. The fact that he condemns people who name call him and/or his org. and then name calls those who see things differently is just one of his pathetic ploys. Do not condemn Ethan, it is not personal, it's just his way of making a living. And after watching whoopi on the view, I would like to appologise to Walter and his ideology.

I'm not paid, duh. As I said, I pay Obama! To take my country back. Whatever I can, which isn't much. There are Republicans who post frequently on here, are they paid too? They might be actually! But I'm certainly not.

I just think it is kinda fun playing with you moonbats. I have yet to read a single convincing argument based on facts from the Republican side on any issue in this entire election. It is almost worth the aggravation of posting here just for the amusement of hearing Republicans try to explain away reality on every issue.

About a nine on the tension scale Ethan. I called you no name try to show a little respect towards people and their views and maybe someone would care what you have to say. And I'm not a republican I work for both sides when my country calls. If you stand on the wall, you know what I mean.

I don't think Obama or Biden can run a company like HP either. Obama is a community organizer and Biden is a 30+ year senator. NOW, why would you think that McCain or Palin can run it. But, Gov. Palin has balanced the budget of Alaska and that is something that Ms. Palin can brag about. I like the two years of experience she will bring with her as VICE PRESIDENT rather than the two years of experience Mr. Obama will bring with him as PRESIDENT.

A President sof the United States of America should have a diversified and years of experience and that is what OBAMA DO NOT HAVE, DIVERSITY. Too ambitious good talker. Mr. Obama needs to learn to include substance on his speeches.

Carl, I'm glad you work for both sides of the aisle on behalf of the country. I really am. I think that's great and we need more like you. Given that you are objective and non-partisan I hope you can see, factually, what is right before you:

Vote for Obama and you will be helping the country move beyond the last 8 years of deregulation and my-way-or-the-highway policy towards a much more sustainable economy and less-divided country.

Vote for McCain and Phil Gramm and you will be endorsing the very deregulation that has so severely damaged the Country's economy.

When it comes to the economy, it's that easy.

Regulate big business and Wall St, or don't.

Obama has been on the side of smart, 21st Century regulation for years. McCain has been for total deregulation for decades.

We have been severely damaged by deregulation under Bush and the country wants CHANGE. Those are the facts. That is the choice when you vote in Nov. Either help the economy by regulating big business and helping consumers, or hurt the country by allowing deregulation to help the biggest industries and hurt the average American kitchen table.

It's truly your choice.