"You can't tell people how to run their campaigns..."

But telling us how to run every aspect of our lives does not bother you at all, does it?

REGIME CHANGE STARTS IN 2010, and CONTINUES

IN 2012.

Throw the Rinos and 'Rats OUT.

Gee, isn't it funny. After you run for office on a campaign message of cutting taxes for 95%, whining about the economy, and blasting the spending on special interest stuff, you get in there and raise taxes, have trillion-dollar pork-barrell spending bills, and let unemployment shoot through the roof. ... But you act SURPRISED when people decide you are not doing a good job?

The Democrats are destroying the economy, and the people are ready to take control back.

That's a wonderful comment Patrick, but Obama made huge income tax cuts as part of the stimulus:

INCOME / AVG TAX SAVINGS PER HOUSEHOLD / PERCENTAGE DECREASE

Under $19K $476 -95%
$19K-$38K $652 -22%
$38K-$66K $781 -9%
$66K-$112K $1,301 -7.5%
$112K-$161K $2,549 -8.3%
$161K-$227K $3,883 -8.3%
$227K-$603K $5,133 -5.7%
$2.8M plus $39,350 -1.4%

http://money.cnn.com/2009/02/21/news/economy/tax_savings_stimulus/index.htm

plus a ton of small biz incentives/tax cuts:

http://money.cnn.com/2009/02/16/smallbusiness/smallbiz_stimulus.smb/index.htm?postversion=2009021810

But HEY, Republicans gotta whine no matter what.

Oh and btw, the GOP opposed the stimulus even though it was the biggest 2-year tax cut in American history. Heckuva job being a party of pathetic hypocrites. Heckuva job.

what they said.

bye 'Rats. hope we can get some treason charges on some of you.

Hey Ethan you copy and paste well, but too bad you miss several facts, like 2/3 of stimulus hasn't even been spent lol. Oh and while you spout about all the small business tax cuts? They havent had any help from obamanomics, just the opposite for the 300 plus I have talked to here in Florida.Add to that the federal deficit that went over 12 TRILLION today and wow you look real smart there lmao. baaa baaa baaaa ALL THE LIBERAL SHEEPISH SPIN IN THE WORLD DOESN/T HIDE 17% REALTIME UNEMPLOYMENT BY THE WAY EITHER ROF.

The tax cuts went out in April '09.

GWB added >$5T in unfunded spending to the federal debt, and handed Obama a $1.2T deficit for FY'09.

USA lost over 1.5 million jobs between the inauguration and signing of the stimulus (3 months).

The GOP populist/grassroots movement is funded and supported by Club for Growth, a multinational corporate front.

Facts don't matter to the GOP as long as they can mock the country and American people they supposedly love.

Ethan, the stimulus worked so well Obongo wants to have another one that will actually start stimulating job growth. He won't call this one a stimulus though because of the negative connotations associated with his first one. I guess he would disagree with your statement.

Not everyone who opposes everything this administration is trying to victimize us with is from the GOP. You need to worry enormously about the independent vote because it is leaving the prog/lib/dim party in droves.

Ethan,

Some basic review:
- Private sector pays for public sector
- Dramatically increasing public sector by diverting private sector money (or increasing private sector debt) doesn't help private sector/private citizens

- Most repubs and indepedents are angry because they actually create the economic value that the economy depends upon. Obama clearly doesn't get it. Not surprising since he has never created any economic value in his entire life

- However I do understand the support of the liberals/dems --- they are public sector parasites (or adjacent to public sector). So as the public sector rises, so do they

Ethan,

Of the 5 trillion added to the national debt while Bush was president, 3 trillion was added in the last two years when the Dems were in control of the Congress.

Also Bush "handed Obama a 1.2 T deficit for FY'09"? Are you kidding? So Bush is to blame for Obama and the Dem Congress' spending spree? Talk about living in a fantasy land, Obama is responsible for all of his spending (and it was actually around 1.5 T) and it looks to be the same next year as well.

Also the economy was doing great until the Dems took over Congress. If you look at the numbers everything that when wrong in our economy happened with the Dems in power and yet they still try to blame Bush. I think I will drop dead from heart attack if any democrat in office ever owns up to what they did instead of trying to blame someone else.

Hey Ethan,

I'm a small businessman and you sound like a really smart, highly educated guy so I'll be brief. We business guys don't need loans, we don't need stimulus packages, we don't need more government workers, we don't need a huge health care bill shoved down our throats. What we need is clients and customers!!!! People don't spend money and make home improvements when they are out of work or worried about being out of work. NOTHING your ego nut case socialist president has done has helped those of us who create wealth. The stimulus jobs you say? They were temporary! That is, except for the funds scamed off by local and state government to create more government jobs. Lesson #1 Ethan: Government jobs don't create wealth ..... they are "overhead". Now quit your government job and go out and make something for this country to be proud of ...... like an honest living.

Ethan -

Facts don't seem to matter to you climate fraud deniers either. Let's grow up -- the Club for Growth, like Nader's PIRG, is not a front for anything other than an ideology that people on the other side of the spectrum don't like. Both are legitimate grassroots organizations. That said, both the Dems and the GOP do engage in grass tops, but to about the same extent. No one is without sin on this one.

Facts are this:
A) Bill Clinton didn't balance the budget - the Republican Congress did. The Dem Members that now pretend to be fiscally responsible yelled and had temper tantrums when the RATE OF GROWTH WAS CUT, not even spending itself. (Go back and read some Roll Call or Hotline articles from 1995-1998).

B) The final budget Clinton submitted to the Dem Congress before the GOP takeover had deficits as far as the eye could see, with no end. Obviously it wasn't a priority for him or his House Budget Chairman and former CoS, Leon Panetta, now heading the CIA.

C)Bush did add to the debt - but about a quarter of that was the cost of the Medicare Rx program, something I think you'd like to suppport (and w/o the doughnut hole it would have increased the debt even more).

D)You don't have to support the War in Iraq, but even your President called Afghanistan "The Good War." and a large chunk of Bush's additions to the debt was in pursuing those who were murdered on 9/11. Or do you not care that Wahabbi Muslim extremists are constantly plotting to kill

E) Even Bill Clinton, Madeleine Albright, believed that Saddam had more WMD than the ones he had already used on his own people.

While I agree with shouldn't have invaded Iraq, we broke it, we bought it. Walking away from problems like that is what allowed Afghanistan and Pakistan to become the terrorist safe havens there are.

As a side note, if Clinton had pursued terrorists as military targets instead of law enforcement ones, Osama Bin Laden would have been killed during his term. You can look up stories on Clinton's team not taking him out when they could've on the Washington Post.

So if Clinton had actually DONE HIS JOB, then it is very likely 9/11 never would've occurred and we wouldn't have gone to war there or in Iraq.
F) The so-called Senate compromise on health care is almost identical to what the Medicare Commission put forward at the end of Clinton's term, but he had his Commission appointees torpedo. So it's not even a new idea - it's dusting off something at least 10 years old.

E) Every reputable economist not angling for a job with the Obama Administration acknowledges that without the Bush 2001 tax cuts, the entire global economy would've tanked. It likely would've been massively worse than now, but for radically different reasons - IMO we likely would've had deflation, etc.

Ethan

You produced a beautifull welfare chart
that was Obama's payments to persons who
pay no taxes.

Finally, Democrats have a new idea: let's blame President Bush for Obama's failed presidency and the consequences of his stupid ideas. For instance, tax the rich, eliminate tax breaks (which he had promised that he wouldn't), government takeover of GM, 1/6 of US economy becoming a major debt, and many others. Give us a break!

As a Republican I can only hope that Democrats decide to fight even harder to continue the corrupt spending, the corrupt Obamacare bill, the total takeover of the economy by the Government, the corrupt cap & tax bill. The American people are biginning to realize that the Democrats have controlled Congress for 3 years and the entire Government for a year and all we have to show for it is more corrupt spending than in the history of the world, and double digit UNEMPLOYMENT. The radical left wing policies of the Democrats are destroying the U.S. ecomomy, and wait until the taxes hit!!!! Your eyeballs will bleed!!!

Spelling:

"Democrats fought 12 years to win back the majority. Now at the first sign of a fight some members want to waive the white flag?"

I believe he said "wave".

I love this. Blame Republicans. The Democrats have 60 votes, command and control every branch of government and they blame Republicans? No, it's the usual thing with the Demwits. They simply overreach, and think we all believe in big, bloated government. We don't. They think they can shove something down our throats, despite polls every day saying we are sick of this health plan and of this president. Keep it up Demwits. 2010 is going to be a rout!

We can only hope that the far left of the Democratic party decides to "slap the Republicans around" by using the reconciliation lever to push through a health care disaster that the country doesn't want. The 2010 election will be a bloodbath and our novice president will go back to ACORN where he belongs in 2012.

How many people blasting the president and Dems here are now unemployed or afraid of losing their own jobs, health insurance? Funny, how that works. When _your_ bank accounts are down to zero because the private sector thought about maximizing profits for a small number of people instead of providing for the public good, I want to hear your complaints about govt spending money to help you. In fact, I'd love to hear all the people commenting here who have already lost their jobs tell me how awful it is that the Dem Congress extended unemployment benefits, how they'd much prefer to be borrowing from relatives who aren't in much better shape, knowing they'll never be able to pay them back or better yet, getting through the winter living in a station wagon. Callous folk we Americans have become. "There, but for the grace of God, go I." Once upon a time I used to hear that quite often. Once upon a time.

Umm so all public sector employees are parasites. I dare you to say that to members of the US Military. They are Government employees and have socialized medicine!!

I am a private sector worker (in big Pharma) and Bush and a GOP controlled congress gave us unfunded wars, unfunded entitlement expansion and large deficits as far as the eye can see. Funny how all "conservatives" found religion on the deficit on November 5th!!

Fascinating, the liberals have been running Congress for the past three years, the three worst economic years since the 1930's, and they want to blame the GOP. I know that Obama got away with it, but that's because John McCain is an idiot an the press never questioned the premise because they wanted Obama to win.

The reality is that Barack Obama didn't inherit a mess, he helped create it. We are suffering from the failed economic policies of the last three years. It was liberals who pushed job killing increased business regulations. It was liberals who pushed job killing mandatory across the board mandatory wage increases.

It was liberals who insisted on pushing tax increases. Liberals ran up the deficit to a then record $467 billion in the 2007-2008 budget year. Then, tripled it in the 2008-2009 year. Now, they are on their way to beating that number. Barack Obama not only voted for every dime of those deficits, he is in the unique position of signed some of it into law as well.

It was the failed energy policies of the liberals that helped push gas to $4.00 gallon, which turned the 2007 soft landing into the 2008 hard crash. Liberals pushed government intervention in the mortgage markets that required banks to make bad loans. Those bad loans lead to the financial meltdown in 2008.

Obama spent 2008 telling Americans to stop buying gas guzzling vehicles, then blamed Bush when GM and Chrysler went belly up. He and Al Gor combined to crush consumer spending with their global warming fear mongering.

Obama also almost single handidly blunted a recovery late last year with his economic fear mongering after he won the election. He spent three months chilling consumer confidence. By the time he was done the Dow had dropped almost 3500 points to 6500. The Dow collapse didn't end until Obama shut up after his pork package passed.

But, liberals never let facts stand in the way of their bs. That's because their brethren in the bubble media let them lie with impunity. Unfortunately for them, America has the internet. Now, we don't have to rely on Katie and Keith to bring us the truth.

Brianlaws - bet you didn`t mind Bush using reconciliation during his term. But now it is a problem?? Where is your consistency?
spk2moi - thanks for your "fair and balanced" comments. Are the Dems overreaching like DeLay did? Terry Schiavo anyone??

The economy has been growing since June, the stock market is higher now than when Obama was inaugurated and unemployment in November was "only" 11000 negative. A far cry from the 750,000 monthly losses inherited and yes they were inherited. Seems Obama economics wasn`t so bad.

I also note nobody has refuted the facts Ethan showed about the tax cuts which are for the next 2 years. 95% of Americans are receiving tax cuts. Please identify tax raises please - facts not comment please.

Brian Goettl - banks made the bad loans. Government did not force any bank to lend. They had free choice.

Interesting how you say the Dow dropped but ignore that it is higher now than it was back in January and the stimulus package is still working its way through the economy.
Are you saying COngress has absolute power and President Bush and the 45 GOP senators could not veto and uphold it if they really wanted it.

The economy this decade has produced very few jobs and Bush during reasonable economic times ran deficits every year (2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005 and 2006) and the GOP had complete control then.

Again please be consistent and use facts not assertions.

I have to admit that gloating about the Democrats imploding is fun, if only because they are so freaking know it all and can't even see that they're going off the cliff. But:

1) This healthcare debacle isn't over yet. If Harry Reid could give Mary Landrieu $300M of our money to buy her vote just to open the debate, there is nothing he will stop at to get anything he can call health care "reform" passed.

2) There are looming battles over cap and tax, regulatory reform and other less well publicized items.

3) The Republicans will not capitalize on the Democrat implosion and will not deserve to capitalize on it unless they offer a coherent agenda of their own, based on an end to bailouts, balanced budgets, limited government and free market solutions that people see can work.

4) Even if the Republicans do all this and are swept back in next year, they will face Obama's veto power for any real reforms, and one heck of a mess to pick up after.

Not as Democrats or Republicans but as Americans we have an enormous way to go to get our country back on track.

blackmage - I agree as Americans we have an enormous way to go.

Funny that people say the Democrats are all bad and the GOP all good. The situation last November was not very good and that is why Obama won the biggest victory a Presidential candidate has done for the past 20 years. That is why the public voted for more Democratic senators (58 or 60) than the GOP have had in a very long time. Obvioulsy the GOP did stuff wrong. Please admit this and we can move on. All I want to see is consistency and not this black and white Dems evil, GP good or visa versa.

Tom DeLay was an expert at manipulating people and giving money away (earmark spending exploded earlier this decade) and he kept the voting booths open for hours to coral members to vote for his plans. So don`t come over all shocked now the Democrats may be nearing his level.

Mike: You are misinformed. Banks were forced to make the loans under legislation called the Community Reinvestment Act. To make matters worse, liberal attorneys like Obama sued banks to force them to make the loans. When the banks complained that they had made all the loans they could, former Clinton officials running Fannie Mae came up with a plan to buy the loans from the banks, which freed them up to make more bad loans. I am sorry if the truth hurts, but liberal government intervention in the mortgage markets created the problem, and they are in the process of repeating the problem and expanding it.

The sun has risen about 300 time since Obama was innaugurated, did he cause that as well. The facts are that the Dow is now back to where it was in November one year ago, after TARP stabilized the market. It was Obama's fear mongering for three months after he won the election that caused the market to tank. It's called "talking down the economy" and Obama did it big time. He had businesses and consumers so scared that they dumped employees and shut down spending on all but the essentials. Now, with 17% unemployment, big business can finally make a profit and the liberals are celebrating. But, I thought that liberals were for the working man and corporate profits were evil. You guys need to get tour stories straght.

Mike: The Demos threatened tax increases when they took control of Congress. As a person who has founed to successful small businesses, I can tell you that the liberal legislative agenda that began in January 2007 had a chilling effect on job growth. That agenda was increased business regulations, mandatory wage increases and promised tax increases. That all occured in 2007, and resulted in the end of the Bush economic expansion that began in 2001. The gas shick that occured in 2008, turned that soft down turn into a hard crash. That lead to the financial down turn.

But, here is a question for you. Can you name the Bush policies that caused the economy to collapse? Tax cuts for the rich? Obama kept all of Bush's tax cuts in tact? Deficit spending? You liberals are arguing that we need deficit spending to get us out of the recession. Fighting two wars without paying for them? Obama is not only fighting two wars, he had dramatically expanded one.

So, what are the Bush policies that Obama hasn't kept or expanded on that caused the recession? Give me details not just the tired "failed policies of the last eight years" rhetoric that Obama has peddled for eighteen months.

Mike: The Dems threatened tax increases when they took control of Congress. As a person who has founded to successful small businesses, I can tell you that the liberal legislative agenda that began in January 2007 had a chilling effect on job growth. That agenda was increased business regulations, mandatory wage increases and promised tax increases. That all occured in 2007, and resulted in the end of the Bush economic expansion that began in 2001. The gas shock that occured in 2008, turned that soft down turn into a hard crash. That lead to the financial crash in late 2008.

But, here is a question for you. Can you name the Bush policies that caused the economy to collapse? Tax cuts for the rich? Obama kept all of Bush's tax cuts in tact. Deficit spending? You liberals are arguing that we need deficit spending to get us out of the recession. Fighting two wars without paying for them? Obama is not only fighting two wars, he has dramatically expanded one.

So, what are the Bush policies that Obama hasn't kept or expanded on that caused the recession? Give me details not just the tired "failed policies of the last eight years" rhetoric that Obama has peddled for eighteen months.

Is Harry Reid posting on this board under the name Ethan?

lol- You're wrong on so many levels, it would take me 2 days to document it

Obama has been a disaster. What change has this guy brought about? Absolutely none! Remember the earmarks that would be vetoed? Remember the campaign matching funds that would be accepted? Remember how talking to Iran would get them to stop their nuclear program? Remember 8% unemployment? Remember, no lobbyist in the White House? Obama is a chronic liar.

Now, look at Pelosi, Reid, George Soros... these slimeball people are for the middle class? Pelosi flies around in a 757 jet? They both take their orders from George Soros... a billionaire telling his bought minions what to do.

The Democrats may try make Republicans look bad... but Republicans are a far sight better than anything Pelosi's "Real" culture of corruption brings to the table.

I'll take Republicans over Democrats any old day.

Yeah, those tax "cuts" in the stimulus are just plain awesome. Never mind the fact no actual rates were cut. If the health care bill is passed it will contain one of the largest tax increases in US history, but hey the IRS decided to withold less for a couple of years, right?

Hey Ethan, here is some cut and paste for you, clown:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/graphic/2009/03/21/GR2009032100104.html

But hey, let's blame it all on Bush. Under Obama the budget deficit in the month of October 2009 was greater than it was for the entire year of 2007. I guess the Dem attempt to raise the debt ceiling is the fault of Bush too, right? And a stimulus that failed to live up to its promises, as we are now in the second month of double digit unemployment? We better blame that on Bush too. Because Bush forced the Dems to pass a pork-laden piece of cr@p, didn't he Ethan?

And please spare us the complaints about the Republican Party and the deficits, because Obama's spending is so out of control it makes George Bush look like Suze Orman.

I won't even get into the cavalcade of obsequiousness and appeasement, with no accomplishment, that has been Obama's foreign policy.

And now the health care "reform" we are about to get consists of tax increases, giant Medicare cuts and a requirement that we buy insurance or go to jail. Bravo Obama. Bravo Democrats.

The best defense is a strong offense.

- Napoleon Boneparte

"Of the 5 trillion added to the national debt while Bush was president, 3 trillion was added in the last two years when the Dems were in control of the Congress."

David,

Bullpucky!!

I'll rattle off $4 Trillion of it right now:

- Two tax cuts
- The Iraq War (that the Bush Adm. SAID would cost $50 Billion and last "6 months tops")
- Medicare Part D (where the W WH lied about it's cost and threatened to fire the OMB actuary who was going to testify as to the TRUE cost of Part D).

NONE of which were paid for, and ALL of which were passed by the GOP Congress

EVERYONE should read

(linked) Two Santa Clauses or How the Republican Party Has Conned America for 30 Years.

"Starve the Beast" - i.e. run up such massive debt that social programs could be dismantled because 'we can't afford' them, was conceived by Ronnie Raygun's own David Stockman. Reagan ran on PAYING OFF the national debt, but quadrupled it instead.

NOW we hear nothing but whining about debt and deficits from the SAME people who ran it up 2001-2007.

Lest we forget Bill Clinton left a plan to pay the national debt by THIS YEAR.

"Ronald Reagan proved deficits don't matter" - Dick Cheney when questioned about the need for tax cuts for the wealthy by Paul O'Neill, honest Treasury Secretary fired for telling the truth.

I would like Danny or any of the other enlightened progressives to answer one question about the "deficits caused by the Bush tax cuts": How did the Bush tax cuts cause the deficits when federal tax revenues increased by $785 billion from 2004 to 2005 (the largest four-year increase in history)? Art Laffer (who constantly praises Bill Clinton for his economic policies - even though he was drug kicking and screaming into decent economic policies by the Republican's Contract with America), Stephen Moore, and Peter Tanous explain in their book, "The End of Prosperity" that "Individual and corporate income tax receipts exploded like a cap let off a geyser, up 40 percent in the three years after the tax cut...The latest data from the Congressional Budget Office finds a 70 percent increase in capital gains receipts and a 31 percent hike in dividend tax payments since 2003."

Even the New York Times wrote in 2006 (right before Democrats took control of Congress), "An unexpectedly steep rise in tax revenues from corporations and the wealthy is driving down the projected budget deficit this year, even though spending has climbed sharply because of the war in Iraq and the cost of hurricane relief."

Now, before you hop on the traditional liberal meme that "well, Bush only cut taxes for the rich so everyone else who couldn't really afford it ended up paying more", as Obama loved to say during the campaign, Laffer, Moore, and Tanous explain, "when we compare how much tax was paid under the old tax system with what was actually paid immediately after the Bush tax cuts, we see that the federal tax system became more tilted onto the backs of the wealthy...Teh latest IRS data through 2006 show a more than $120 billion increase in tax payments by the wealthy after the Bush tax cuts of 2003." Under the Bush tax cuts, there was a 95 percent increase in the number of millionaires. "The total taxes paid by millionaire households rose by 107 percent in two years, to $273 billion from $132 billion."

The biggest increase in tax revenues came from the top 10 percent of taxpayers - who also already pay the majority of federal income taxes.

The Bush tax cuts did not contribute one bit to the deficit, it was the usual culprit of wreckless spending that grew faster than revenues. Republicans surely did their fair share but under the Democrat majorities who Nancy Pelosi pledged would be fiscally responsible, the deficit exploded from $190 billion to over $400 billion during the first two years of her speakership.

Republicans in Congress surely spent too much but their transgressions are a drop in the ocean of debt created by the Democrats and Obama administration.

If you're going to blindly jump on the "Blame Bush to Save Obama's Image Bandwagon" at least do everyone the basic favor of getting your facts straight.

(Sorry for the novel-length comments. Hope someone found them helpful.)

Sorry I forgot another important fact that I'm sure the Obama-ites will try to exploit unless I include it.

The Bush tax cuts made the tax system more progressive. (For you liberals, that means that the wealthier paid an even larger share of the federal tax burden than before the cuts.)The typical family of four making $40,000 a year saw their tax liability decrease $1,000-a-year due to reductions in the lowest income tax rate and an increase in the child credit. After the Bush tax cuts, the top 1 percent of income earners paid more income taxes than the bottom 90 percent even though the bottom 90 percent had three times the income of the top 1 percent. Shifting even more of the tax burden to the wealthy doesn't exactly seem like the tax cuts unfairly benefited the rich. (Under Obama's tax cuts included in the stimulus, each family gets about $13 a month in tax relief. Gee, that's really taking the bite out of the tax bill. After he lets the Bush tax cuts expire, guess what, the largest increase will hit the lower tax brackets and end up moving some of the burden shifted onto the wealthy under Bush back to the lower classes - yesh, that's hope and change working there.)

After unemployment fell to less than 5% under Bush, which immediately blows the idea that Bush's economy failed to create jobs, household wealth increased by $6 trillion with the median household wealth increasing almost $20,000. Unemployment rates started slowing before any of the Obama stimulus had even been spent - it will be interesting to see how much it increases after businesses start trimming payrolls of the increased seasonal employees they hire for the Christmas season.

To Ethan,
Your numbers are taken from a hypothetical table compiled by CNN and states "may see" not "will see". I fall in the 66k to 112k bracket, which by the table I should have seen a tax savings of 1301.00. Since Feb., '09, my take home has decreased, not increased. But, like most Libs, you take a little info from one source and little from another and then you make it fact just by stating it. Sorry, does not work for normal people, but then that's why the democrat politicians like you, you are so easily fooled and you don't ask questions.

The dems are going to get hit hard in 2010, but also some moderate republicans are going to get some primary challenges. It's time to stop the madness, and put the Obama genie back in the bottle. He wasn't elected to turn our country into a Marxist socialist country, and if the 2008 election were held today he'd lose in a landslide. Hopefully heath care will die before the senate dems can twist enough arms and get their 60 votes. Then 2010 can be a campaign on how to proceed...The economy and the debt has already put punishing realities on our kids and grand kids... The only way to stop more of it is to neuter Obama with a stunning 2010 defeat...Read: No recession in Washington D.C....at..

http://cooperscopy.blogspot.com/

The writing is on the wall. Yes, your ambitious agenda of trying to ram down American's throat something they will never swallow...loss of personal freedom (Dems want to tell you what heathcare you can and can't have), loss of your families personal freedoms (Dems running Americans into debt faster than all the prior presidents put together). Your kids will have to pay back red china and the loss of freedom that goes with high taxes is irrefutable. Global warming hoax perpetraited by barracks unintelligible EPA cronies...just a ruse to tax the hell out of American's again and control them like sheep. Fannie and Freedie, maxine walters, barney frank, nancy pelosi telling bankers that controlled responsible americans money at one time to make loans to irresponsible dems...never paid their mortgages costing americans half of their 401Ks. where does it all stop...2010 and after all dems are thrown out. because if its a dem we know they are willing to call themselves a dem the party that takes our freedoms from us.

I love this. Dems just like to "blame" somebody. Obama blames Bush and now his own party is blaming him for "forcing" an abbitious agenda. Excuse me Dems but he didn't push it.....he asked and you RAN with it. Couldn't do it faster if you tried and you all thought it would be soooooo easy. Will after trillions spent on bail outs, auto industry takeovers, stimulus packages containing thousands of earmarks, a trillion dollar take over of health care, a possible cap and tax bill that would cripple the economy.....is it any wonder they now want to seek cover by blaming Obama. This is all your doing. You all wrote this crap. You all voted on this crap. Sure Obama gave his blessing but you idiots put yourselves in this and now the American people will justly do to you what you deserve. KICKED OUT!

Obama, Reid and Pelosi are idealogues. They saw what happened in the 2009 elections in NJ and VA and they ignored it. Even a true blue state like NJ threw out Jon Corzine because of runaway spending and high taxes. They will pursue their ideological agenda, because they know that even if they lose congressional seats in 2010, including Reid's seat, that no one will be able to repeal the new entitlement programs they created and they will have achieved the transformation of America they desired.

Awesome. I love it when some neocon blog links to a site I've already posted a comment to, pre-empting the BS. Hilarious.

To everyone coming from wherever you came from who see this now:

THE ECONOMIC DISASTER WAS BUSH'S AND THE REPUBLICAN CONGRESS' (2001-2006) FAULT.

You had control of BOTH houses of Congress AND the President for 6 full years.

The recession (job loss, economic disaster, etc) ALL STARTED AT THE BEGINNING OF THE 7th YEAR (January 2007). Look it up.

Unemployment was 3.8% in March 2000. Went up over 6% in 2003 (I don't remember anyone complaining then). Back to 4.4% in Dec 2006. Then a slow but steady rise from 4.4% in March 2007 all the way to today's 10% unemployment rate.

The only thing that could have possibly effected jobs when the Dems took Congress for the 110th Congress in Jan 2007 was a minimum wake hike that included tax cuts for small businesses (passed in Feb 2007, final roll call in the Senate was 94-3 supporting passage). For the sectors that received a minimum wake increase, almost every single sector effected ADDED jobs between passage and 2 years later (2008):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minimum_wage_in_the_United_States#Jobs_affected_by_the_Minimum_Wage

Republicans Governance isn't the solution, Republican Governance is T-H-E P-R-OB-L-E-M.

I am a conservative, mostly financial and more center for the social aspects but you know what. I feel really bad for Democrats. They allowed their party to be highjacked by the far left who I dont even consider Democrats. The progressives managed to gain control and they are going to bury the Democratic party. Dont get me wrong many in the Republican party drifted from the core principals and those are the ones that got booted and will continue to get booted.
One can not deny this is a center right country and the public is furious. I honestly feel the next two election cycles are going to establish where the country will head for at least the next decade and I am starting to feel good about it but its going to take a while to clean up the mess that has been created since the Dems took control of the congress

Jobs:

http://data.bls.gov/PDQ/graphics/LNS14000000_133654_1260892033512.gif

Reagan assumes office in 1980. Unemployment spikes to 10.8%. Gradually declines.

Poppy Bush assumes office in 1989. Unemployment up to 8%.

Clinton assumes office in 1992. Unemployment sees steady decline to 2001. Goes BELOW 4%. BELOW 4% in 2000.

GWB assumes office in 2001. Unemployment goes up, again, PAST 6%. Then down to middle 4's. Then up over 7.5% for January of 2009 when Obama is sworn in.

Stimulus passes in March 2009. Job losses grind to a halt and now as of last month we lost pretty much zero jobs.

Dispute that if you want, but them's the facts as they say:

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Internationally or domestically, Democrats are quite adept at waving the white flag.

Nice smokescreening, Ethan, but think back to what Obama said about his stimulus package (assuming you can remember back that far).

Obama said that if his stimulus package were passed, unemployment would not rise above 8 percent. Well, Obama's stimulus package WAS passed and unemployment went to 10-percent-plus.

Just a bit of inconvenient math for the Obama administration, but he can always blame George Bush, of course.

Jack Davis,

This is what President Bush said at the SOTU in January 2007:

"This economy is on the move, and our job is to keep it that way"

George W. Bush, State of the Union, January 2007

(Coincidentally, he was right. the economy WAS on the move... towards the Great Recession of 2007-2009)

Also:

Do you disagree with the actual unemployment numbers from 1980-2009?

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Yes or no will do.

I misspoke above, the job losses started in 2007 but the "official" recession started in December 2007.

(See, that's what they call intellectual honesty. I made a mistake, admitted it, and corrected it.)

But all of my points still stand. Just wanted to correct myself on that one discrepancy.

The lack of civics understanding is amazing. For the un-informed....all bills originate in the house.....news flash! The Democrat party has had control of the house even when GWB was president...that makes the economy the Democrats baby. The Democrat party since Obama was inaugrated has proposed and passed more spending than all congresses since George Wahington was in the Whitehouse. Presidents do not pass legislation, they sign it into law after is has been through the House and Senate. He has but one function in this process....veto or sign....that is all.
Every thing that this current group has promised has turned out to be an outright lie.

It was a deadly time to be elected to the presidency. The Bush administration had destroyed the economy and whoever was the next prez was going to have to do some very unpopular things to fix it. I admire Obama for doing what had to be done even knowing it would be politically damaging. This really is the change we voted for. The Dems need to buck up and realize that they are hugely more likely to be reelected if they man up and do the right thing, meaning scrap Joe Lieberman and pass the GD bills that we all voted for. They need to give Dems a reason to care if they are in the majority. Right now it looks like it makes no difference who is in the majority since they won't fight for important Dem policies. Obama is one of the few Dems I see doing what we all voted for.

AZSmitty, we've heard your canard before. For decades as a matter of fact.

NEWSFLASH:

Since 1921 the POTUS has submitted a budget request to Congress.

"Congressional consideration of the federal budget begins once the President of the United States submits a budget request, which is formulated over a period of months with the assistance of the Office of Management and Budget, the largest office within the Executive Office of the President. The budget request includes funding requests for all federal executive departments and independent agencies.

The President submits the budget request each year to Congress for the following fiscal year, as required by the Budget and Accounting Act of 1921. Current law (31 U.S.C. 1105(a))[3] requires the President to submit a budget no earlier than the first Monday in January, and no later than the first Monday in February. Typically, Presidents submit budgets on the first Monday in February.

The President's budget request constitutes an extensive proposal of the administration's intended spending and revenue plans for the following fiscal year. The budget proposal includes volumes of supporting information intended to persuade Congress of the necessity and value of the budget provisions. In addition, each federal executive department and independent agency provides additional detail and supporting documentation to Congress on its own funding requests."

The budget works its way through both houses, is reconciled, then signed by the POTUS.

NEWSFLASH, AZSmitty: You know nothing about the way our govt works.

I understand the Democrat party has to pretend they are "concerned" about double-digit unemployment, a $12 trillion debt, global warming, etc as though these are bad things, but for the far-Left, these and any and all crises they can cause or conjure are very good things. A "crisis" is now the moral equivalent of war, and war is the nutrition for growing government. Actual war and threats of it are politically and fiscally inconvenient truths to the "liberals".
If the Democrats manage to finally kill off what remains of the private sector by imposing trillions in taxes and ever more crippling regulations on private employers, throwing tens-of-millions out of work, they will have achieved the goal they've been seeking for decades. To "fix" us real good.

Becky.......please seek medical attention. You are seriously out of touch with reality. While Bush clearly was not great on the economy it was NOT destroyed. For most of his 2 terms unemployment was below 5%. His wars cost this nation $700 billion dollars. Mr. Obama spent more than that his fisrt 2 months in office. If you would do some research instead of worship the messiah you would see that it wasn't until 2007 when the Dems took over conress that the economy started to tank. Further research will also show that this is a very common occurrance since dems historically are not business friendly and markets tend to slip whenever they are elected in large numbers. If the Dems do pass this healthcare package it will be the end of their control for the forseeable future. If what Obama is truly what you voted for then I ask that you leave my country for someplace that is more suited to your tastes....China, Cuba, Soviet Union, North Korea, Vietnam because clearly you are not an American in heart or spirit.

The nation overwhelmingly elected a democratic ticket on a progressive platform . Is it any wonder that their support for democrats would weaken when the party has so moderated and watered-down its platform?

Too much of the business-as-usual, corporate lobbying and bipartisan capitulation has shown the public that change is an easy thing to say but hard to do.

Right wing whining aside, the public supports the agenda Obama and his party were elected on. The question is, do the democrats?

ETHAN, look who was running Congress when the unemployment was low and high.

Nobody is running the Tea Party movement but local organizers. The majority of folks at these protests are independents and conservatives with Democrats, also. If you do not see an attack on your liberty, our constitution, and Bill of Rights you need a history lesson. This president's policies are socialist. You want to know who is running a show here then go find out how much George Soros funds, manipulates and controls in the DNC and far-left. Blaming the Republicans is a joke. When people on far-left blogs tell others to throw tomatoes at Palin and aim at the baby...that's a wake up call, okay? The far left got greedy and ugly and they will pay the price.

Michael, obviously you continue to ignore the FACT that the POTUS has set the terms of the federal budget for Congress since 1921.

I also appreciate the long long list you have provided of bills that Republican-controlled Congresses have passed to create jobs. Oh wait. There are none. My bad.

Gnirol:

Businesses should not "provide for the public good."

They should provide profits by hiring people, paying them a fair wage, funding their medical and dental care, unemployment insurance, holidays, vacation and matching retirement, social security and medicare contributions. Business owners also pay for the physical plant, energy, tools and equipment, materials, communications, computers, interest, taxes and other direct expenses. In addition, they provide general and administrative costs, research & development and tax revenue.

Businesses produce goods and services that customers want and for which they are willing to pay. Profits are a good thing. Without profits, owners would not invest and all the items mentioned above would disappear. No profit, no product, no paycheck, no subcontractors, no tax payments, no jobs, no money.

The government is necessary, in the Hobbesian sense, to provide the environment in which civil society, commerce and freedom may exist. IMHO, the most perfect union is described in the U.S. Constitution and its amendments. It protects the individual guaranteeing life, liberty and property while limiting the role of the state.

Where in the Constitution is a right to own a home? a car? receive a free education? free health care? a job? Nowhere! Citizens earn money by working. Everyone has a right to an equal opportunity. However, success and failure are based on our own talents, efforts and choices. If you want to succeed, do not look to the government. Look inward.

In a recent poll, 44% said they wish Bush were back running the country.

What does it take for the dems to realize Obama is costing them their political futures?

Given the scenario of a healthcare 'reform' that 60% of the people are against, and only 20% are for, the present course of the dem party looks like lemmmings off a cliff. But when you look deeper - at the fact that people will be taxed for this 'reform' for four years before they receive any benefits and that it is 'deficit neutral' only because you collect taxes for 10 years and only provide six years of benefits (and after that it is ANYTHING BUT deficit neutral), the course of the democratic party resembles hara-kiri.

A tidal wave of anger will sweep them out of office in 2010 and 2012, and then we'll get to see the repubs with atrocious majorities that allow them to overstep their mandate just as badly.

Mike:

The military is a necessity public expenditure. People who choose to serve don't do it for money. I know. I was an air force officer for 20 years. For the first dozen years, I would have worked for food – I practically did.

I have always been a conservative. After I retired, I got a job with a defense contractor. On a puddle jumper flight to BWI, I noticed Rep. John Kasich, the ranking member of the House Budget Committee was aboard. Rep Kasich had been a key player in big budget cuts under Clinton. When we got off the flight, I button holed him and told him that what we was doing was absolutely necessary. I explained that although I was an executive in a defense company, he needed to keep cutting, even in defense. He did and he reformed welfare.

Conservatives believe minimal government interference at minimum cost is the soundest fiscal policy.

"When we got off the flight, I button holed him and told him that what HE was doing was absolutely necessary."

Great, the independents are bailing out in droves, and the Dems are retiring. Does that tell you anything? Where did the mass of Obama Bumper Stickers disappear to all of a sudden?

As well they should. It's Obama whose putting their necks on the line. He's not up for reelection until 2012. In fact that's why he doesn't want the health care bill to actually take effect until 2013. He wants reelection before the people really start screaming about a government run system.. read: No Recession in Washington D.C...at...

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